Re: Musst Ihr unbedingt eure "SENF" geben?

I appreciate your understanding and analytic writing. your facts are true but there are also other facts... may be I shouldn't point them out all to prolong this dicussion further...

yes you're right, my statement is arrogant and provocative to you fellows, because being nepali I'm leveling with you unlike other "poor Nepalis". So termed by you as "poor nepalis" who are innocent, always smiling, don't know that much and don't have to say a word.
Do understand my friend there are also masses of nepalis who are educated, can speak, can argue, can defend and who are better off then you fellows whether it be economically or intellectually...

But still it's my right to object and argue some of your fellowmens arrogant statement (read a thread to which I've replied). May be I understood him wrong but some of your countrymens comments about nepalis sounds like that you're managing and financing our life, schools, hospital etc. etc and we nepalis are just enjoying and living on your cost.
It's just like an following argument (TV interview to one Neo-Nazi):
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> Dear Nepali,

> I have never hardly heard or read anything of such arrogance as your statements here. The very reason why the Nepali cabinet met at Kala Patthar - climate change - shows that there are numerous and very serious problems which can only be solved through cooperation.

> I think it has been well understood by almost all organisations working in the field of development that cooperation is a very different thing than "dictating" terms or anything like this. This is clearly shown by the fact that many international organisations which are active in Nepal do not run their own projects but support local NGOs instead - which by the way are as far as I can see are contray to you very thankful for the help received.

> Besides that there are also many grassroots initiatives which thrive because of genuine commitment of Nepalis and foreigners alike for a variety of causes. They embrace a truly cosmopolitan idea and are far from the very narrow view of the world which you seem to follow.

> I have to say that I am very happy that many people who have visited Nepal and come to love your country and its people have a more sensitive view of the situation in Nepal and don't want to be the usual "mass tourist" flying around the globe but to return something to the people of Nepal who in almost all cases are so welcoming towards foreigners. In fact there should be no need to ask for help, but it should be absolutely normal to help as far as possible if we see someone in need - be it in Nepal or in our own home countries.

> And for me it seems to be quite hard to deny that many of the 26 million are in need of better schools, better medical service and many more and ofently very basic things. It should not matter from where the help they deserve to have at least access to the most basic services comes from Nepal itself or from elsewhere, they should just get what they need to have the chance for a life in dignity and - when it comes to education - to build a better future for themselves and their children.

> I also would like to point out that a simple look in the budget of Nepal will show you that the help Nepal is receiving is nothing that could be called "peantus" at all, but in fact a major part of the budget. And while the "national image" as you call it might be better if the numerous problems existing wouldn't be mentioned at all, the people affected by these issues will not change at all only because the "national image" is being cared of.

> Coming back to the beginning, I think what is most important is to find a common ground of working together to find ways and perspectives to solve the many issues like poverty, hunger, pollution, human rights violations etc. which affect many people not only in Nepal but here in Germany and every other country worldwide.

> Peter

> > The population of Nepal is not only 1, 2, 10 or 20 persons. Did we Nepalis (about 26 mil.) knock your door, begging for your help? If you help 1 or 2 or 10 or 20 nepalese to "boost your image" then don't make it a propoganda. Trying to help others is a good deed but letting feels others bad for accepting your offered help is the worst thing.

> > This is exactly the way you think and what you want: you offer somebody a help then later try to manipulate them, exploit them and take control over them.

> > We know how to help ourselves. We are surviving and will survive in future as well without your help. Actually your so called help of peanut to some "particular gruop or individual" is only destroying our national image.

> > My comment is for those who think they are superior than we nepali and they know better than us. for them I would like to say again: just shut up your mouth!

> > Any comment?

> > > If we are so really bad to the bone persons,
> > > i think you want all tourists to stay at home!?

> > > I am not sure if this is the better way for nepal!

> > > And first of all ask all your nepali people to never take money or other help from foreign people, and then you can complain about people from other countries when they try to take care of nepal.

> > > I by myself have some good nepali friends and you cannot stop me to think of them and trying to help them and i have no profit of this and i will not have profit of this in future, because it means friendship and not business!

> > > Martin

> > >
> > > > For those who are arrogant and think they are "Better",

> > > > Is it really necessary to speak and give your so called "Senf" on every small issue which is entirly ours!
> > > > do you think we need your permission first for our politicians to organize their meetings? you shouldn't feel disturbed since we nepali paid the tax for that... since we ourself aren't disturbed, I wonder, why the hell are you?

> > > > You people are talking like that you're doing many good things for nepal, hmmm?
> > > > You think without you and your help, we couldn't build our schools, hospitals or develop our country etc. etc. hmmm?

> > > > Do you know the fact that we were better off before, after you people start interferring in our national politic and showing unnecessary interest in our nation, our situation worstening everyday.

> > > > Do you think you people are so generous that you give something to others without calculating your profit? first think sincerely, just think...

> > > > vergiss eines nicht: Ihre seid nicht selbstlos, grossherzig und grosszuegige Volks !
> > > >
> > > > > Namaste Werner,

> > > > > vergiss eines nicht:

> > > > > Die Maoisten sind vom nepalesischen Volk gewaehlt. Waehrend sich die Welt vom Kommunismus abwendet, geht Nepal zurueck zur Steinzeit. Die Nepalesen haben das so gewollt.

> > > > > Such Dir also lieber ein Hotel mit Restaurant aus, dann sitzt nicht auf dem Trockenen. Die Nepalesen wissen sich schon zu helfen.

> > > > > Die nepales. Minister fliegen auf Staatskosten zum Kalapatar.
> > > > > Wir Europaeer spenden dann fuer Krankenhaeuser, Kinderheime,Schulen usw.

> > > > > Dafuer sind sich die Herren Minister zu fein.

> > > > > Manfred W.

> > > > >
> > > > > > die Streiks haben fuer das ganze Land eine verheerende wirtschaftliche Einbusse, wenn jetzt 3 Tage lang alle Geschaefte geschlossen sind, keine Taxen fahren, keine Busse durchs Land fahren, entsteht ueberall gewaltiger Schaden. Wieso sind diese Streiks legitim? Legitim koennen sie nur sein, wenn der Streik dem Volk nuetzt oder das Volk unterstuetzt. Das direkte Gegenteil ist hier der Fall. Durch diese Streiks wird nur das Volk getroffen, nicht die Regierung. Wie sollen denn die Haendler ihre Waren verkaufen? Wie sollen wir Touristen ins Restaurant gehen zum Essen, ins Internet, ins Cafe mit Kuchen? Die Umsatzeinbussen allein in Kathmandu gehen in die Millionen, ich habe selbst am 6.12. beim Generalstreik nicht mehr einkaufen gehen koennen, wie ich das immer am letzten Tag in Nepal mache, da wollte ich viel mit nach Deutschland nehmen, Mitbringsel, Landkarten, einen schoenen kleinen Gebetsteppich, Gebetsfahnen,da sind meine Euro nicht in Nepal geblieben.Die Maoisten schaden am meisten das eigene Volk. Ich wollte auch nochmal nach Bakthapur rueber fahren, die haetten da ihre 10 US-Dollar Eintritt bekommen, viele Touristen konnten gar nichts machen. Und wie das jetzt mit 3 Tagen aussehen soll, das muss schlimm werden.Die armen kleinen Haendler werden am haertesten getroffen, auch die Kinder, die ihre kleinen Taschen nicht verkaufen koennen, oder die Schuhputzer,weil kein Mensch in Thamel rumlaeuft, ganz zu schweigen von dem Gesamteindruck, den alle haben muessen, die zum ersten Mal nach Nepal wollen, die sehen durch solche Ereignisse, dass sie dann gar nicht wissen, wann ein Bus nach Pokhara faehrt oder ein Bus von Pokhara nach KTM, wenn man das Flugzeug in KTM am naechsten Tag erreichen muss.
> > > > > > Die Regierung und Armee tun gar nichts, sie haben keine ordentliche Staatsgewalt, das Volk vor solchen Folgen schuetzen zu koennen. Die Regierung und Armee halten sich bis jetzt erkennbar zurueck, sie sind offenbar lieber machtlos, als eine neue Schiesserei mit den Maoisten anzufangen.
> > > > > > Werner
> > > > > > > Ich halte die Streiks fuer demokratisch und fuer legitim, zumal von einer Regierungsclique Regierungsbeschluesse unterlaufen werden.Auch bei uns gibt es Streiks und auch schon mal Blokaden. Ich erinnere nur an Atomtransporte. Streiks sind kein Krieg, sondern ein demokratisches Mittel. Es sei denn, die sogenannte nepalesishe Polizei setzt militaerische Mittel ein, um ihre Macht zu sichern. Ich kann mir schlecht vorstellen, dass sich eine Militaerclique das zur Zeit im grossen Stile leisten kann.
> > > > > > > Allerdings wird offen von der Moeglichkeit gesprochen, dass die Volksarmee den bewaffneten Kampf bis zur Verwirklichung der Demokratie wieder aufnehmen kann...Gefaehrlich wird es mit Sicherheit, wenn die Armee einen Putsch macht, um die foederativen Bestrebungen einiger Provizen mit militaerischer Gewalt zu unterbinden.
> > > > > > > Die bisherigen Machthaber wollen die Bundesrepublik schliesslich nicht.
> > > > > > > Es haengt wohl alles vom Verhalten des Militaers ab, das, wie die Geschichte zeigt, auf Menschenrechte wenig Ruecksicht nimmt.
> > > > > > > Die ersten Todesopfer durch das Militaer hat es ja schon im Westen Nepals gegeben. Die wollten wohl zeigen, wer die Macht hat. Die Naturreservate gehoerten ja nominell dem Koenig, der den Bewohnern das Land abnahm. Denen blieb dann nichts anderes, als im Ueberschwemmungsgebiet zu siedeln.
> > > > > > > Wie seht Ihr die Lage, gefaehrlich oder eher doch nicht?
> > > > > > > bernd

Abgeschickt von Nepali am 21. Dezember 2009 um 18:06 Uhr.

Antwort zu: Re: Musst Ihr unbedingt eure "SENF" geben? geschrieben von Peter am 21. Dezember 2009 um 16:28 Uhr.


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